moto guzzi engine identification numbers

I figured I would start with the CHP, since every time I've tried to register an out of state bike that did not have an engine number, frame number (used as the VIN in CA) and a FMVSS label with a VIN, I was referred to the CHP by the DMV verifier. All Norton literature states this was how it was done at the factory in the early 70s. Further, the engine number and the frame number did not match (as with Ducatis). It had an engine number, and a VIN stamped on the Federal Motorvehicle Safety Standards label, but no frame number stamped into the frame itself. Just registered last month a 1971 Norton Fastbac (out of state bike, from Georgia). I hate to bog this thread down with California specific info, but here goes: All you have to do is bring in the completed form to the DMV in order to register the bike, no other inspection at the DMV is required if you have the completed Vehicle Verification Form. If you know a peace officer who is willing to overlook such techincalities, you may luck out and have them fill out the verfication form. If the bike is post 1971 and does not have a FMVSS label, they may suspect it is a gray market bike not intended for US import, and may or may not verify it. Generally, the CHP officers are more familier with the FMVSS labels and when they were implemented. At a CHP inspection if they will check and if no frame number can be ascertained, they will likely will issue you a new number by afixing an ugly metal tag with the new number. Generally, the VIN on the Safety Standards label must match the Frame number, and the vin on the registration or Cerficate of title, otherwise, off to CHP you will go. It appears DMV verifiers are trained to look for this label and absent it, to refer you to the CHP to hash things out. If the vehicle is pre-1971 and does not have a FEderal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards' label, you likely will be referred to the CHP for verification. It appears DMV verifiers are trained to look for 3 numbers: Frame number, Engine Number, and VIN that is stamped on a ' Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards' label that was required on all bikes imported into the US after 1971. They must fill out the Vehicle Verification form.

First step when you want to register an out of state bike is an inspection at the DMV or by a 'Peace Officer' (does not have to be CHP). I've done battle with the California DMV on several occasions.

Moto guzzi engine identification numbers